Is the Pope Overstepping Religion, Politics & Power Explained
In this powerful and thought-provoking discussion, Gene Valentino and Michael Pol dive deep into one of the most controversial topics today—the intersection of religion, politics, and authority.
From the Pope’s role in political discourse to the true meaning of ex cathedra, this conversation challenges long-held beliefs. It raises critical questions about what Catholics should—and shouldn’t—follow.
They also explore:
The limits of papal authority in politics
Why many Catholics are questioning church leadership
The principle of separation of church and state
The influence of personal beliefs on global leadership
The ongoing debate around the FISA Surveillance Act and civil liberties
This episode doesn’t hold back. If you care about faith, freedom, and truth, this is a must-watch.
👉 Watch till the end for insights that could change how you see religion and governance.
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We are about to find out because we have uh the velvet hammer with us this morning. Jean Valentino live from Pensacola, Florida. Good morning, Jean.
How’s the weather?
Good morning, guys. 66° sunny. Uh looking like we may see a dip of some coldness coming through, but good
weather’s underway. The sprinkler systems working outside. We’re getting things uh nutrition getting back into the
plants as we get our greenhouse and our garden going again and we’re looking forward to a good spring and summer.
All right. So, thank you for joining us.
We appreciate you doing this each Friday and we’d love to hear what you have to say. You and I were talking before the show and one of the things that ticks us
off as Catholics is how the pope has uh taken a position in politics which is
something that uh well frankly from from the uh as far as the church is concerned. He can do whatever he wants to but Catholics do not have to necessarily follow what he has to say.
And there’s a term called ex cathedral. And if you haven’t ever heard of that,
well, let me just explain it to you for a second. Excathe is Latin from the chair. That’s what it means. It’s a
technical term in Catholic theology referring to the infallible teaching authority of the pope. Now, here’s the
key to this. For uh for it to be an infallible teaching, the pope must speak as supreme pastor and teacher of all
Christians. He must intend to define a doctrine.
I mean, he’s got to use clear definitive language. The doctrine must concern faith or morals, not discipline, not
science, not politics, etc., etc. Two things, faith or morals. So when the
Pope steps out and starts criticizing the president of the United States, we don’t have to pay any attention to him
as Catholics. That’s that’s just the way it is. And so a lot of Catholics don’t even know that. So I I just wanted to bring that out this morning because that is a church teaching.
This is um one of the most sensitive things that we talk about when it comes to religion that bothers me the most and
describes most accurately why I don’t consider myself a Catholic anymore. I’m a very faithful Christian, but I’m not a
Catholic. It’s um when Catholicism overreaches
and tries to impose man-made rules or doctrines that supersede what I would
call the apostolic, the original Christianbased, Bible-based teachings.
Uh Billy Graham talks about that. I listened to um Sean Hannity last night on Fox talk about it and he went on
talking about the fact that he was born and raised a a Catholic, came from a standard Catholic family. He too was a
alter boy in the ca in the church um church sessions and so was I and went to
Catholic school for about four or five years. uh I actually couldn’t take it anymore. So I went into the public
school system which at the time was considered a good move. Uh the public school systems in the 60s and 70s was a
pretty was a pretty good thing. And um uh I got to tell you the authority that
they extend uh was so imposing in my upbringing that I felt the need to walk away from it.
And right now it hit a sore spot with me when the pope who has a little bit of a
smug attitude towards the United States and um ends up um taking on Donald Trump
on this issue. uh uh you know he has if he is a faith leader and um he is uh
discussing faith and morals and uh defining that within church doctrine that’s one thing but he does not control
federal doctrine or the doctrine of government which is the constitution of the United States and all of the leaders
within notwithstanding the faults of the individuals uh which we talk about every day and
pick on every day and there’s plenty to pick on. Um these short company comp
these shortcomings, Michael, do not allow us to then impose a standard on
faith regardless of the u the sect it is. Uh we’re talking Catholicism today.
It could be Episcopalian uh Methodist and any of the other Protestant faiths. It could be the Israel. It could be the Jewish faith. It
it could be the Muslim uh jihad Islamic uh factors. We we talk about all of
them, but they do we talk about them as an imposing cult, if you will, that tries to extend
its doctrines into governance. And that’s the mess we’re in in the Middle
East right now. There is no small coincidence that the Pope got off on a tangent to think that he was going to
interfere with the president’s authority that was given to him by 70 plus million
Americans here in the United States. I’m faithful. I go to worship services every
Sunday. Uh but I’m not going to allow the leaders in those buildings to interfere
uh other than their right to vote to interfere with what is considered um uh
governance through a constitution which by the way we are the only one that has
God in it. So I don’t make light of God uh or the authority vested in God that
was given to us in our constitution. Uh I don’t make light of that. But uh when they say a separation of church and
state, this is what they’re talking about. Not the um not the not anything else that you’ve heard criticism of.
You know what what’s interesting about this is the truth is the pope is a man and the man that the pope is is from
Chicago and he is a liberal man and and let me tell you something I you know I
don’t I don’t have to listen to what he’s got to say when it comes down to his liberalism. Now, if he wants to talk
about morals and and church values and stuff like that, that’s fine. But I don’t think we have to listen to him.
And I think a lot of Catholics out there need to understand that that there is church teachings that tell you that when
he delves off into politics, well, he’s just a man.
his he also has a brother who’s um an American and uh strongly supports the
MAGA movement and was a supporter of Donald Trump. There’s um this is what
happens with power. What the frailties of the human condition
uh is occur when you have people taking positions of authority and control
whether it’s apostolic authority in the church setting or um elected authority
in the government setting. The what happens with many is that they develop an overstated sense of selfworth.
They think there’s something that they now are over are entitled to extend
authority and control and impose their will on you. Now,
Donald Trump certainly has a strong personality, but he leaves room for you and I to have our strong personality and
our opinion. while we have a choice. We either buy into his strength of
character or we rebel from it. And what I see trickling over into the religious
side of this of this conversation is a pope who uh resists uh the authority
vested in uh Donald Trump. Donald Trump’s worrying about the United States of America.
Uh uh Pope uh Pope Leo I guess it is is worried about um the the the uh morals
and faith issues around the world and somehow he considers himself of of a
grander scan standard. What he fails to realize is that preventing wars is exactly what Donald Trump is doing.
Whether he like whether he understands it or not, acquiescing, sitting around in the circles, kumbaya, praying
together. Uh you say that to an Islamic jihadist, see if you end up at the end of the conversation with your hands or even your life.
Yeah, you’re exactly right. Let’s switch gears for a minute. Uh, you know, the the United States Congress worked overnight last night and they extended the authority of this uh what is it?
It’s it’s it’s to be able to spy on uh on folks that that are not from this country that are maybe having communications across the planet.
Yeah. FISA FISA. Yeah. FISA. And and so I just wanted to get your take on that and what
you think about FISA and what what should we do about FISA? It looks like there’s some second thoughts in Congress about FISA.
Well, it’s because of bad behavior.
FISA’s intention was good. It’s called FISA, Foreign Intelligence Surveillance
Act, and it governs how the US conducts uh electronic surveillance for national security purposes, especially involving
foreign threats. But the problem has been is that it’s le where foreign threats threats involve the potential of
American citizens or elected citizens is where we’ve gotten into trouble and they’ve applied the overreach of
surveillance upon elected officials in the United States uh under the forest uh
FISA um FISA surveillance act um it’s it was designed to balance
uh security and civil liberties. But I got to tell you, um, there’s a flash point in the act under section, I think it’s 702,
uh, which allows, uh, uh, unprec unrestricted warrantless surveillance of non US citizens located abroad abroad,
but it can be accident incidentally collect American communications. in the process of going after that foreigner,
you may be picking up data on Americans,
and that’s where it’s gotten into trouble. Now, do we keep it because we’ve got serious national security
issues at hand uh in and around the Ukraine Russia relationship in and
around Iran and Israel and so forth? Do we keep it in place because we have
garnered in good information which has positively impacted our ability to put up the right kind of a defenses and
assaults against these enemies in in a timely way? Or do we quash the whole
concept because of the in because of the abuse by certain select few that have
used it for political purposes to promote um and protect the political
campaign or political policies of one elect of one political party. That’s what’s happened in the last 6 to 8
years. And um I hope indictments come from it. Uh that’s why the congressmen are a little skittish today and saying,
“Well, well, hold on now. Before I go renewing this FISA act, you better make sure you’re not abusing it like you did
on Donald Trump in the past.” And that’s why you see some Republicans stepping up and saying, “I’m not going forward with
renewing FISA unless you ensure that the kind of uh surveillance, illegal surveillance you did on Donald Trump and
the rest of the crew around him uh does not happen again. That’s the issue.”
You know, it’s interesting. We’re out of time, but uh it it only really works,
Jean, if you have good and honest men that are using it.
Yeah. And a good honest pope conveying moral and ethical standards. You know,
we all are victims of one human factor.
It’s called the human condition. And our frailties can work for us and in many cases evidence themselves and work
against us. What a balance we what a challenge we take to find that balance uh in society especially with all the
various governances. Take care buddy. See you next week.
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insurance, condo insurance, commercial insurance, all the different coverages that are out there, and of course, auto
insurance. They’ve got you covered. They worry about you first. You’re more than a policy number. You’re a person who
they’re watching out for, not when the sun is shining, but after the hurricane has left. If you want real service with
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