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Hi friends, Jean Valentino and welcome again to another episode of the grass

Grassroots Truth Cast. We the people in order to form a more perfect union,

establish justice, ensure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense.

And it goes on, this is the preamble to our Constitution.

I remember Ms. Lovejoy back in the 60s when I was in middle school teaching me

about this preamble. In fact, we had to memorize it before we in order in order to pass the course. We had to because it

was important part of our social studies and American history. Today, I’m sitting

next to Dr. Douglas Frank who’s following that that mantra that that

rule that that belief that this nation is worth saving. We have a glorious

nation and we’re in our 250 years of celebration unlike any nation in the

world. None of not one has lasted this long or gone this far.

And it’s time for us to make sure we don’t lose it. Dr. Douglas Frank, thank you for joining

me today. Good to be with you, brother. Dr. Douglas Frank from uh the Midwest, from Ohio originally and is traveling

around the the nation visiting hundreds of villages and towns and communities to

focus on one topic, doctor, election integrity. Election integrity, election fraud, and

the improprieties at the state and local level that you have brought out on your journey nationwide.

Correct. What have you concluded? Well, I think people uh don’t know what the problem

with our elections is. So, what I do is I first red pill them. I wake people up.

I show them what’s wrong. And then once they know what’s wrong, they say, “Uhoh, what do we do about it?” And so, I give

them a strategy for taking back local control of our elections. The core problem is that our elections are no

longer locally controlled. And it’s in every state. Uh they’re centrally controlled now. And people, even the

clerks, even the election officials don’t understand it. So I have to go into a community and show them they’re

not in control of their own election. They think they are and they’re not. So I use their own data and show them

they’re not in control and then they’re, “Oh my goodness, what do I do about this, Dr. Frank?” So that’s So let’s focus nationwide on a pattern in

general. But I love it if you drill down locally. We’re broadcasting live in Pensacola, Florida, uh in a in a studio

bunker on Navy Boulevard, but we’re seen nationwide each week on Grassroots Truthcast. How does something specific

at the local level transcend to a nationwide issue? Well, there’s really

two things that happened in our history uh that in recent history that matter. In 1993,

uh the federal government passed National Voter Registration Act, NVRA. Some people call it motor voter. And

what it is is this the federal government basically meddling in state elections. And they said, “We want you

to keep a central database because we want to be able to compare stateto state. We want to be able to show that

John Smith voted in Texas and he’s also in the roles in Oklahoma. Let’s clean that up.” So that was the intent or at

least the purported intent of it. The states all objected and said, “No, we don’t want to do that. It’s expensive.”

So the federal government said, “Oh, we’ll take care of it. will pay for it. And so that’s NVRA, National Voter

Registration Act 1993. But the thing is is the federal government doesn’t just give you money. There are always strings

attached. And so now they’re all it’s kind of the federal government tinkering in state elections. That’s the first big moment.

And I’ll come back to that. The next big moment is 2002 Help America Vote Act. In fact, that was kind of the excuse they

used for that was the hanging chads here in Florida. They said, “We don’t want you guys using these paper ballots

anymore. we want to do it electronically. The states all said too expensive, not secure. We don’t want to

do it. Federal government said, “We’ll take care of that for you. We’ll give you uh we’ll give you grants to pay for

the machines and we’ll set up these highly secure networks.” And so the the federal government started giving grants

to the states to buy electronic devices. And they sent up uh set up an organization called CISA, the Cyber

Security Infrastructure Security Agency. because all these machines are. People don’t realize that, but they’re allorked

through federal networks that are supposed to be secure. So that’s that’s what that’s what happened in 2002. And

how does that differ from today when we think of the breach in security being at the local level? Uh the network itself

implies that it’s a more regional network or or statewide network. It’s national and national.

Yeah. So we have different layers of fraud. Yes.

And and different motivations for circumventing an election. Yes. Desh Duza 2000.

Yes. Look what he uncovered. Right. Look how he had been admonished for uncovering it.

So the the in 2000 mules he’s showing kind of the end step in in the major way

that there’s fraud going on in our country. A lot of people think that the machines are flipping ballots. Um,

that’s not normally the major type of fraud. The major way of fraud is

stuffing ballots. You’re putting in ballots for people who didn’t really vote. And so that’s what 2000 meals

showed. It showed the the mules show turning up at the dropboxes and turning in the ballots. That’s kind of the end

of the process. The fact that the machines and the rolls are online enables anybody who wants to cheat to

know who’s voted and what the tallies are. So guess what? You know how many ballots you need to stuff and who hasn’t

voted. So you know who to stuff for. And that’s that’s the real function of the the the fraud in the networks. friend of

mine in a neighboring county reports that um there were more voters for Joe

Biden than there were registered voters in our neighboring county. And that confirms what I just said. How

can that be? You’re stuffing ballots. And that’s the problem. So the problem you’re about to talk about has a different look and feel in

each county, a different initiation of fraud. But the bottom line is they’re

the Democrat party is trying to manipulate the election process because

they’re unable on their own to secure the outcome that the people Well, I I uh I I don’t always pick on

the Democrats. I like pointing out, for example, that in Kentucky, which is a red state, they have 105% of their

people registered. H And in Oregon, which is a blue state, they have 105% of

their people registered. Hm. And in Florida, you had for the 2024 election,

you had no the 2020 election, you had 102% of your people registered. So, I don’t like just picking on the Democrat.

I wouldn’t say it’s one party, one side. I agree. Yeah. I would say both parties are using

the system. So, I hear from politicians in Tallahassee, statewide here in Florida.

Yeah. by good people trying to go to Tallahassee to get them to take an

initiative to change things to make things better. Yeah. Leave it alone. We don’t want it to change.

Nope. They like it the way it is. It’s it’s it’s ironic because the RNC,

the National Republican Party, it’s right in their platform that they are behind single day voting, paper ballots,

hand counting, get rid of the machines kind of thing, photo ID. the party of

Florida, the Republican party, the GOP, it’s right in their platform. You have a super majority in your legislature. How

come you aren’t going to single day voting uh on paper, handcounting, photo

ID, etc.? Well, because in Florida, you guys like mailing in your ballots. In

fact, one in three of your ballots in Florida are coming in by mail. Contrast that to Alabama, which I’m doing a lot

of work in the wire grass here in Alabama. They 98% of their people vote on election day in person. What’s wrong

with you guys in Florida? There’s no appetite for this. You guys

like it this way. We have grown accustomed to that which was pushed upon us.

Yeah. Well said. Uh as opposed to not necessarily like it. But your point is made and I think it’s

valid. So look, I don’t care if you like Donald Trump or not. come up with one day, one

vote, ballot voting, in person or not at all. The exceptions would be the elderly, the affirmed, the

sick, and our military government folks overseas. That’s it. Now, back it up with a

starting point, which we’re underway with as we’re recording our episode right now. The House of Representatives has just

passed the Save Act. It’s before Yeah. and Cong Senate is now about to hopefully approve it without having to

kill the filibuster. Uh but if they kill the filibuster, I’m okay with that, too.

I think we should live on the merits of a majority vote, not some ploy to get

around certain people in different uh uh uh branches of government that are using

the system to their benefit in the first place. Yes. So without going down that path,

what brought you to Pensacola? How did you how did you decide to put

Pensacola on the hundreds of locations you you came to? Great question. And what makes it different or similar

to all the other election fraud issues nationwide? I love that question. So when when I

first started this work, I was invited in 2020 uh by the Pennsylvania legislature to work with them and I

uncovered a lot of fraud and and as we were talking about before the interview, I then spent 2021 trying to fix this

problem, trying to address this problem by speaking to legislators, by speaking to secretaries of states, attorneys

general. In fact, I flew around with Mike in his airplane quite a bit, Mike Lindell, uh uh meeting with AGs. We’d

put together Supreme Court case. We were getting signatures. So he and our good friends as a result of that he even made

a documentary about my early work called scientific proof. So we thought that the solution was to meet with the

legislators, meet with the secretary of states and we learned u to our utter shock that they like the system the way

it is and they don’t want to change it. And so that was an interesting situation. So 2021 was me learning

politics. I’m a physicist. I came out of the ivory tower. I’m a physicist involved full-time in

election integrity, right? So, I’m a numbers guy. You got You’re all over the That’s good.

Exactly. Talk about applying your skills. There you go. And and my favorite thing is taking large data sets and making

models. So, guess what? What do you think an election is? It’s large data sets and making models. So, uh so anyway, I spent 2021 learning that

we’re not going to fix this from the top down. So, I began in 2022 working from

the grassroots up. Speaking of grassroots, and I’ve been much more successful at that. I’ve developed a

whole set of steps. I call it seven steps for taking back our elections. Show that. Yeah. Seven steps for taking back our

elections. And and it’s I’ve been refining the strategy. Now, in the early

days, I was concentrating on one county at a time because most states run their

elections one county at a time. For example, we mentioned Reading and we mentioned Shasta County, Northern California. That’s one of my early uh

war zones, and we’ve we’ve won battles there. But boy oh boy, is that hard. When you only have one county, every

time that county makes a decision or a positive move, the state comes down on them like a load of bricks. So, it’s

it’s a it’s war zone there because of that. So, I’ve my my strategy has

evolved. It’s grown. It’s I don’t just work in one county anymore. I organize a

group of counties. So now the question is is which counties should those be? And I I liken it to a World War II

situation. Let’s say we’re going to attack Germany. Do we start in Berlin? No. We we find a beach head and we build

a beach head in Normandy. And then once we have the beach head, then we can plan our strategy going forward. So where

should the beach head be? Not the big blue cities, the small red counties.

The challenge I have when I go, this is why I’m here in the in the panhandle, okay?

Because the small red counties, they’re conservative. They think everything’s

okay. I walk into the county, I show them it’s not okay. They’re shocked.

They’re unhappy. I organize them to stand together. So now it’s not just one county bucking the system. It’s a group

of counties telling the state, “We’re not going to comply with your system anymore because your system is enabling

fraud in our in our community.” And every case of fraud is nullifying a real

ballot in our election, compromising our constitutional rights. So, we don’t have to comply with anything that uh

compromises our constitutional rights. And so, that’s that’s what I’ve been doing all over the country. It’s amazing

to me when I sit back and think about it of just how strong our constitution is

and how well thought out our forefathers u were in putting this document together

because if you really look at it doctor we have with withtood a tsunami of bad

behavior and uh and and I I believe that in other regions of the world it

would be the collapse of that government in this case, the three-legged stool of

our constitution probably, yeah, survived because we were had to go past

the other one. If you got around one, you’d had you couldn’t get past the other. To your point uh in your to your

point is the fact that uh you can start from the bottom up and find the beach head anywhere around the

nation. Yes, the same might apply. So, the question is what part of the elephant are you

going to eat first here? because I keep thinking about the deep state throughout the nation uh um corrupting local

government through the George Soros or George Soros entities of the world, right?

In a governance sense and here you are with a tiger by the tail just talking about election integrity and election

fraud. What what so what’s your approach? Do you think that the starting point should

be uh correcting the local levels first as opposed to maybe a grander scheme of

a constitutional amendment to fix it nationwide with one effort? I think um I don’t think we’re going to

be able to fix it top down. I’ve learned that lesson. That was my 2020. It’s got to be the grassroots. And I I like what

General Flynn says. He says local action for national impact. And that’s what I’m doing now. You met you brought up George

Soros. That’s a great point. In 2006, he launched what’s called the Secretary of

State Project. You can look it up, Google it, you’ll see. Okay? And what he said was he was going to own every

Secretary of State by 2020 in 2006. And what he basically was doing was getting

into each state and and funding to get control of elections. Well, that was

very successful and very quick. I I would say only two Secretary of State left in this country are uncontrolled.

and I get one in Wyoming and one in Missouri. It’s it’s a bad situation we’re in. I’ I’ve sat with down with

these people. But then that was so successful so quickly he started the AG project. He started the sheriff project.

And you know what he’s doing now? He’s changing school boards all over the country. How do you change a country?

You change the next generation. And that’s so that is the warfront. That is the battlefront. So for us to fight it

at the top is really not where the battle is anyway. We need to be fighting at the local level. Taking back our

school boards, taking back our our city councils, our county commissioners, our sheriffs. That is the war. I find more

fraud in schoolboard races than any other race. And we have overturned several because of that really.

And it’s it’s quite if you think about it, you’ve got low turnouts because those usually are taking place in the

spring. So, you’ve got a huge number of people that aren’t voting, which is a credit line of names that can be used to

stuff ballots. And the So, the turnout’s low, the margins are tight. Buy a 100 ballots here, buy a 100 ballots there,

you can own every school board in the country. It’s very cheap investment for a big return. Maybe I’m misled, doctor,

but I cannot I I know a few supervisors of elections uh in the region, in the in

the state. They’re good guys and gals. I don’t see them as being corrupt or

uh controlled by a deeper state of activity. However, there’s something

going on around them. You’re not misled. In fact, my argument is we want those guys in charge of their

elections. We want the local guy, the one everybody knows, the one you put in office, the one that you go to church

with and your kids go to school together. We want that guy in charge of election. The clerks think, I guess you

call them suees here, the secretaries of elections here think they’re in control of their election. So I come in and I

show them they’re not. And when they see they’re not, then they’re like a little worried. And then when I bring them

actual fraud that’s happening in their election, we’re not blaming them. If they were in control, then we could

say it’s your fault. Okay? Since they’re not in control, the fraud’s coming in in a way. And so we my

goal is to say why would you want to use a system that enables fraud in your community? You don’t. So we need to put

it back under your local control. Take it away from the state. Put it back under the local community control. That’s what I do.

We uh let’s focus locally. Now you mentioned um we we’ve talked about it

more nationwide and regionally. Okay. Light me up and get me pissed off.

I want to I I I want to know what you found in Escambia County, Florida, right

here where I live. Okay. I want to know what should piss me off as a voter if I’m so respectful of our

constitution. Yes. And this local’s governance, which I’m proud of. Are you telling me that the fraud in

this there’s fraud in this county? 100%. And we’re going to prove it to you. And I’m putting together a team right now to

assemble that fraud and present that evidence in public. Wait a minute. You’re gonna You’re

presenting it at an event. Uh, yes. It’d probably be two months from now. I see. Yeah. I I follow the same pattern

everywhere I go. I identify where the problems are. I go into those communities. I build a team. I give them

the information they need to investigate. They prepare the files of all the fraud and then present it to the

public. Okay. And and therefore, that’s why I’m privileged to meet you here today. Actually, I met you through a former

opponent of mine. John Mills, who was one of the 10 people running for US

Congress in the panhandle. We were up Matt Gates had left the office and special election was called. John and I

were two of the 10 Republicans running. Had the privilege, he was an opponent, but we became de dear friends during the

process, and I’m grateful. But uh as a result of that, I had the privilege of meeting you and we both agreed there was

something fishy. Something fishy. Go ahead. I want to hear what you say. So here’s a graph and and my favorite

thing to do is to show people their own data. And you’d be surprised your own secretaries of your supervisor of

elections don’t even know this stuff. I show this to them and their jaws drop open. They don’t they don’t know because

they’re using systems that are provided to them and they follow checklists. So

they don’t even see this. So I’ll show this to them. So for example, this let’s just start at the state level. This is

Florida. You notice this is from 1992 to 2024. Okay? And this blue curve on top,

this is how many people are in Florida that are voting age. That doesn’t mean they’re eligible to vote. That’s that’s

the population of voting age people. So it’s been steadily climbing from about 10 million up to about 17 million it

looks like voting age people. Then then this black curve these are data right from your secretary of

state’s office every two years how many people were registered to vote for the election in Florida. And you’ll notice

back here in the ‘9s it was about 70% 60 70% of the voting age population was

registered. And I can tell you just from my national experience that’s a clean voter role. You want your voter roles to

be around 70% of the voting age population. That’s a clean voter roles. And so I would say for the, you know,

next decade or two, you were fairly clean. Looks like you’re starting to get a little dirty here. But then notice what happened right here in 2014. Your

voter roles suddenly surged and you ended up with more people in your voter roles than people. How did that happen?

You ended up with more people in your voter ro voter role in the vote more voters registered

than you even have people than we even had people and and you notice that it’s pretty

sudden for that to happen. Now what happened? Well, it spiked in what year? Uh 2020 and 2022 it looks like

the Biden Trump election. Yes. and and what that the reason it did

that at that point that’s the moment when the state took away local control

of the roles from the local clerks. The clerks up until that point added people,

removed people. They were in charge of it. But at that point, that’s when the the state the database became centrally

controlled at the state level. And so now when your local S SOE adds or removes somebody, they don’t add

somebody or remove somebody from their own local roles. They log into the state system. So there’s this system out here

that they’re using that they’re not in control of anymore. And that’s why it

can take off. And it does because then the state starts adding people who get driver’s licenses, adding people who get

welfare. You touch any government agency, you’re automatically put in the roles. So guess what? zoom it shoots up

and they’re not allowing the clerks to take people off who move away or die. They make them go through this long

process. So basically guarantees a dirty voter roles. So that’s that’s what happened and that’s why that’s the core

problem. What the the problem would be that some of those voters are not voters.

Not anymore. So, but if they voted and were inappropriately on the role, how

did they vote? Was it an absentee vote? Was it someone um in the system entering

the same vote more than once? It could be, but you know, most people are honest. Most of our ses are honest

guys, hardworking guys, and they’re not cheating. Most of the time, the fraud is happening through mail and ballots.

Through mail and ballots. And here you guys are in Florida. A third of your ballots come in by mail. That’s Well, that’s what Desh Duza was talking

about in 2,000 mules. Yes. So, you’ve given away. Did you have a chance to talk to him?

Oh, yeah, I did. What was his take? I mean, did he just disappear because of Thread of Life or

was it with him? Yeah. He um I I I had breakfast with him uh

after his movie came out and I I I kind of complained a little bit, you know. And I said, “Hey,” I said, “You showed

that there’s this problem, but all you would had to do is take one more step, and you could have showed you could have showed who was doing it, too. I mean,

those those pe those mules that are dropping the ballots in the drop boxes for $10 a piece. We don’t really care

about those guys. It’s sort of like doing a drug bust. We want to know who the pusher is, who’s giving him the ballots to put in the boxes.” And he

says he wasn’t allowed to because Salem, who produced that, Salem Media, was

afraid of getting sued. So they, you know, and they had a right to be considering what happened to Mike Lindell.

100%. Everybody was afraid of being sued. It was during the Biden administration. Lawfare was rampant,

right? And so everybody was afraid. So that’s why he only took it to that point just to show the problem. But an attorney general with any sense

of ethics and standards, uh, if you had to wait until after the Biden administration, I presume it’s

still within the statute of limitations. Oh, yeah. There’s no statute of limitations on fraud either. You can you

can prosecute fraud as long as you like 20 years from now. So, we have an attorney general now that probably is drinking water out of a fire

hose with so much in front of her. Yes. And and Trump, I mean, I know him

personally and he he’s got a vendetta uh what happened to him in 2020. So, you

notice uh the Fulton uh raid where they seized the ballots from there in Georgia

and Venezuela is not an accident. Venezuela is where the 2016 and 2020

elections were being hacked from. That was like central control center with this whole Smartmatic setup. So that is

so that’s what happens to the people that were sued by Smartmatic

that like Mike like Mike I’m in that case I know it but and uh now evidence shows that um Mike

deserves a reprieve or exoneration. I think he needs to be reimbured too for all of his expenses.

That’s where I’m going. What’s the next step to getting Mike reimbursed or is Mike in the position now? Does he have a

basis for a counter claim? I think he has plenty of basis for a counter claim. I mean, look what look what happened on

the Tucker Carlson Fox News side. Yes. It was a similar story. Bigger money. Yeah. Uh 700 million I think it was. But

that was a defamation case against Fox. But it was over the same accusation. Yes. Yes. of misuse of the of the

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that um Mike deserves a reprieve or exoneration. I think he needs to be reimbursed, too,

for all of his expenses. That’s where I’m going. What’s the next step to getting Mike reimbured or is Mike in the position now? Does he have a

basis for a counter claim? I think he has plenty of basis for a counter claim. I mean, look what look what happened on

the Tucker Carlson Fox News side. Yes. Was a similar story. Bigger money. Yeah. Uh 700 million, I think it was. But

that was a defamation case against Fox, but it was over the same accusation. Yes. Yes. Of misuse of the of the equipment. What

happened was in the Fox case, um, Tucker was saying something different in his

private communications than he was saying on the air. And so Fox was sued because they could

prove what it it’s not defamation if I say you’re ugly, if I really believe you’re ugly. But if I say in private,

man, that guy’s the most handsome guy I ever met. And then online I say you’re ugly or, you know, on TV, they can su

you can sue me for defamation because I’m I clearly am it’s not just freedom of speech. I’m deliberately

misrepresenting my opinion. So that’s what they that’s what they got Fox for and that’s why he had to resign

afterwards. It wasn’t really it was around the election issue. You know, Tucker Carlson would say in private that

he thought Sydney Pal was a wackadoodle and and he didn’t believe all this election fraud stuff and then you would get on and talk about it. So that’s

interesting analogy. That that’s what that’s what happened. That that’s what that case was about. So it’s not the merits of the case that

matter in Mike’s case. He’s in fact he won his appeal on the $5 million challenge thing. I don’t know if you

heard about that. That’s a big piece of news. But it it’s not the merits. The merits are on his side. The question is

is how does he survive when he has to pay all these lawsuits and all these attorneys and you know he’s $40 million

in the hole because they just suing him. They have infinite resources against the small guy.

You called it in a previous interview momentum. There was you may have the facts in order,

right? But you need the momentum. Yes. What did you mean by that? Um, so for example, in 2020, Trump had

in December of 2020, Trump had all the evidence he needed to overturn the election from 2020. But what he didn’t

have were two things. First, he didn’t have a single legislature in the country that would descertify and would stand with him. And second, the American

people were caught like you’re in the headlights. We we didn’t know what we were doing. We didn’t have uh something’s wrong. We know something’s

stinky here, but what is it? We don’t know what to do. And we’d be kind of been conditioned into this mode where we

don’t really do anything. We just sit around and watch. Trump’s elected, he’ll fix it. You know, no, that’s not the

grassroots. Grassroots, we fix the problem. So, momentum is about it’s it’s like um Trump posted in August last

year. He said he wants to lead a movement to get rid of mailin ballots, uh get rid of voting machines. He has a

whole it’s a long tweet. It’s like an essay for him, but he uh he he didn’t say, “I’m going to sign an executive

order.” He said, “I’m going to lead a movement.” And he’s right because the

Constitution, which you uh alluded to so nicely at the beginning, keeps elections

at state level. The federal government can’t dictate how they run their elections. There’s a little bit of gray

area there because the states have been accepting Hava money and NV money, but in principle, the states don’t have to

do what the federal government says about their elections. So, he needs to lead a movement. So, what am I doing?

I’m going around county by county, organizing groups of counties, building a movement, and that momentum that

you’re talking about, that momentum is now building around the country. So, we’re we’re giving Trump the movement he

wants to lead. I I understand the local control issue versus national or um

governing, taking away individual rights. Yeah, I’m not talking that. I’m talking about

the notion that there’s got to be commonality in a national election. One

thing I know about where you are in Ohio and all your visits out on the West Coast is that there’s one or two names

on that ballot that’s the same there as it is right here in Florida. And that’s the president and the vice president.

My problem is is that uh uh the rest of the ballot going down is unique to that

area, correct? State and local levels. But there must be some commonality if

we’re to ensure efficacy that the vote in Reading and Shasta County, California

is the same as mine in Pensacola. The term I learned in school was coternimis. One man, one vote.

Yes. If you’re going to have one man, one vote apply across this nation, then

there must be some commonality about how we weigh that vote. uh my vote in my

area here must be equal to your vote wherever the heck you are. And I don’t I

don’t know if we accomplish that by allowing states to control it.

That’s my concern. You started the conversation earlier. Yeah. With the problem going to the state and

asking them to fix it. What was their response? We like it the way it is. We like this fraud just the way it is.

Thank you. Well, that’s the problem. There’s a place in time for the national government to step in and put some

overriding controls in place so that the rules in Shasta County, California are

the same as Escambia County, Florida. What say you? I I I agree to some degree. The

electoral college sort of defeats the one man, one vote thing, right? It’s it’s supposed to be close

and so does two senators from every state. Yes. So, so but the these were triggering

mechanisms to create this constitution. Yes. And to get the small states to buy

in with the large states. Right. Right. Well, okay. Because two senators in

Rhode Island, boy, they’re carrying a pretty strong vote. Exactly. Compared to two senators in Florida.

True. So, I don’t know what to say except I recognize weaknesses in the argument.

Yeah. But today, Dr. How do you bring a common rule together?

So you you reveal and show all this fraud. Yes. And and compromise in the election

process. So what’s the solution short of an amendment to the constitution? So the thing about Trump that we all

seem to enjoy is that he’s a wheeler dealer. He loves to deal and he uses his

levers. So an example of this is I was at the governor’s conference. It was last year during CPAC, maybe a year and

a half ago now, uh where the governor of Maine said, “Well, we’re going to have women in men’s sports.” And Trump said,

because he had signed the executive order banning women from men’s sports, remember? Or the other way around, men

and women’s sports. I said it backwards. Uh and so she says, “Well, we’re going to allow men in our women’s sports.” And

so he just said, “Give me give me that list of grants that go to Maine. I’m going to start redlining those grants.”

So he he uses the levers he has. So now because the states have been accepting

NVR money and the states have been accepting Hava money, guess what? He’s got some leverage. So I wouldn’t be a

bit surprised if he started saying things like, well, if you want to keep getting these federal grants, you’re

going to have to have photo ID in your elections and you’re going to have to have, you know, one day voting. You’re

going to have to have machines which can’t connect to networks. you’re g, in other words, he could begin applying

those pressures. Now, I was in um Washington County, Oregon recently, and

uh it was right after he had passed the DEI uh executive order getting rid of

DEI organizations. And the county officials, I was there at the meeting, they all voted. They said, “We’re going

to forgo the $140 million we get a year from the federal government because

we’re going to keep our DEI programs.” So, in other words, the lever that Trump has with that, he’s kind of lost.

They’re willing to say, “Forget it. We’re going to have it our way anyway.” And that is the Constitution. The

Constitution gives the states their power. But I think the the money is a

powerful level lever. And so, I think that’s the way Trump’s going to address your question. How do we make sure that

in a presidential election is the same in every state? He might say things like, “Well, in a federal election, you

have to have a photo ID.” He might say, and if they say, “Well, we object.” He’ll say, “Fine, give me that grant list.” You know, we’ll start taking you

off the list. Well, losing $140 million, they can’t they can’t be solo on this forever,

right? Something’s going to give. So, that’s the kind of thing I expect to happen, you know, because it’s going to

be hard to get a constitutional amendment. And if if he if he imposes an executive order, the states will appeal

it. It’ll go to the Supreme Court. And I actually think the Supreme Court would probably rule against it, which is probably why he hasn’t done it because

he, you notice, every one of his executive orders is passing court scrutiny. Yes. Because he’s got teams of

lawyers making sure that they’re going to pass court scrutiny. I don’t I think that’s why he didn’t say, “I’m going to

sign an executive order.” He says, “I’m going to lead a movement.” Speaking of movement, we’re with Doc Dr.

Douglas Frank from Ohio, but he’s on a huge tour across the nation. He’s uh

hundreds of locations, thousands. I’ve done thousands of presentations now in the last five years. W That’s impressive. And it’s all on

election integrity, election fraud. He’s he’s a scientist with a strong uh

research and analytical background. And he’s you put algorithms together, haven’t you? Yeah.

To So you’re not just blowing it off the top of your head. You’re grabbing data

at the local level, which is why you’re here. Yep. And you’re grabbing that data to formulate a result based on fact.

Yes. And now you’re doing what with it? Turning back over to the locals. Yeah. I’ll meet with a local grassroots

team and I’ll give them their own data from their own elections and then I’ll say here’s a list of addresses that are

suspicious. You should knock on that door because at that at that residence it says that there are 15 people

registered and half of them voted but they have different last names. What’s going on with that? maybe you should check that one out. And so they go knock

and so it’s not canvasing, it’s targeted investigations. And then we prove over

and over again that the that there’s fraud getting into your elections. And

the then the question is is well is it that evil SOE? Is it our county commissioners? Who is doing this? It’s

not the local people. It’s outside influences, which was always my concern about a deep

state uh initiative, a wave, a silent wave that was coming in around the local

guys and gals that were duly elected. Yes. That actually didn’t that were kind of surprised once they

got into office while they’re feeling gridlock with a lot of things they want to get done. It’s because of some of

these circumstances around them. Now, you’re making your way across the country. Does it keep on forever? Does

it end? Do you have an end in sight? What would be the ideal outcome for Dr.

uh Frank? I’ve uh right now I’ve got movements really accelerating in about six states.

I’ve got Oregon and California, Wisconsin, um Alabama, Maine, and I’m working hard

to get something going here in the panel in Florida. I’ve I’ve got, you know, some lukewarm movements in

other states, but those are my hottest places. And people are always surprised. They’re like, “Gee, Dr. Frank, how can

you be successful in Oregon?” And there are a couple of things about it. The first thing is, I like the way General

Flynn puts it, the pain level there is high. And so when the pain level is high, the people wake up. They’re ready.

Exactly. And so that’s the first thing. The second thing is, if you think of Oregon, it’s shaped like a rectangle, and there’s this mountain range called

the Cascades about a third of the way in. west of the Cascades, those counties

are are mostly um blue and per there’s blue and purple and some red. But you go

east of the Cascades and there are 15 counties there and 13 of them have already signed resolutions to secede

from the state of Oregon. There’s they’re so fed up with it. So it’s very conservative out there. We’re talking

like 4 to1 MAGA counties. So Oregon really is quite conservative. 32 of the 36 counties are conservative. So all I

have to do is get them organized to stand against the state, say, “We’re not going to use your system anymore.”

Did you experience the same in Great Falls, Montana? Because I noticed you ran up against some resistance, but your

data was sound. Oh, yeah. All my data. It’s I use their own data. Yes. And And I’ve got good

legislative, but it was a it was a conservative sleepy sleeping town. Yes. Everyone was happy in their ignorance, but but you br

come in that you storm in and you’re bringing in all this information. Now you with their own data and you got them

upset. Even the supervisor of election saying, “Where the hell did he get that?” Exactly. They don’t like it.

They don’t. So you’re leaving these communities after you stir the pot, what happens? Yes. I have I They call me the Johnny

Apple Seed of election integrity because I’m going around planting little seeds. But I think a better description is is I

touch off little spot fires and then I come back two months later and throw gasoline on them. And then I come back

two months later and by then, man, the the count the communities are on fire. We have teams organizing. So my ultimate

goal is to get multiple states to have to go back to local control. Once that

starts happening, I think I think it’s over because But there’s got to be a commonality. Do you agree that a a system process

commonality? For example, one day, one vote. Yes. Paper ballot.

Uh very strong limitation on the absentee absentee and mailin.

Uh and um and in fact from my point of view, if I was a congressman, I’d

support a paid holiday because if you’re going to take the day off and wait in

lines, they’ve got to adjust at the local level the sudden influx of votes on one day. Yeah. Sure.

So you’re that just you’re creating an issue at the local level. They have no trouble in Alabama. Yeah,

the I know the key is the reason why S so S so S so S so S so S so S so S so S so S so SOE or clerks depending on

your state the reason why they object when you say that is because all the loads been put on them and that and so

they feel that load and it’s like don’t make me do that all in one day now we used to run our elections at the

precinct level and we had people at each place and they did their own local counting and then turned in the numbers

so it’s very doable I mean Well, it is. I mean, in our election for the presidency, um the last Trump election.

Yeah. We were Florida 30 million people. We had the election wrapped up at 10 in

the evening. No reason to not. All of Europe does it that way, by the way, on one day. Yeah. There’s no All hand counting, all

in-person voting, one day. Yeah. There’s no reason we can’t do that. We just have to take a step back away from everything

being centralized and say we’re going to run it at the precinct level. Interesting. That’s all we have to do. We just have

to move back and and Alabama’s right next door to you and they’re doing it that way. There’s no reason you can’t do

that as well. I want to make sure before you leave Grassroots Truth Cast episode today with me that you have a chance to espouse

everything that you need to get out. You you can do you can direct it to the local folks which would be wonderful.

Mhm. But I use that as an example of what you would want to direct nationwide to everyone else as well. What’s your your

key points? What’s your message? My message is um we the people have forgotten

that we’re the government. We’re the sovereigns. For decades now,

we’ve been letting other people teach our children. How’s that working out? We’ve been letting other people run our

government. How’s that working out? We’ve been letting other people run our elections. So we need to wake up. We need to

reassume our civic duties, our sovereign duties. We have to remember that America is an experiment in self-government.

It’s supposed to be us. But the problem is for decades we’ve become conditioned.

I can remember as an elementary school student teacher saying, “Oh, you have a problem? Let’s write our legislator.”

Wrong. You got a problem? You fix it. We are self-governing. We’ve we’ve lost

that core idea. So the elections I think

is sort of like if you think of the story of David and Goliath. Um when David showed up at the battlefield,

there’s this big oaf out in the field insulting their god, insulting their nation. And he goes to his brothers and

he says, “Hey, get out there and take care of business.” And they said, “You’re just a shepherd. Go home.” Right? But he stood in front of Goliath.

He threw the stone. He cut off the head. Then the Bible says after he slew Goliath, the children of Israel rose up

and chased the Philistines out of the land. The problem wasn’t Goliath. The

problem was the children of Israel were hiding in the hills. Our problem is we’re hiding in the hills. Um you have a

famous constitutional scholar here, Chris Anne Hall. I’m big fan of hers here in the state and she says we’re in

the Trump slump. We’ve elected Trump. Now everybody’s sitting on their hands waiting for him to fix everything. No,

we’re the fix it. We’re supposed to fix it. He’s supposed to be our leader, but we’re supposed to fix it.

Well, he certainly has proven he can chew gum and walk at the same time. Oh, boy. My words. He’s uh seven or eight wards

he’s diverted or deflected us from getting into. He’s maintained a relationship with Israel. All this was

going on while someone locally was dealing with the election fraud issue. Uh I I I I really think that the

Congress, which is why I ran and why uh John ran with me, we both feel the same

way about this. The bad behavior is the problem when we’ve lost our virtue.

We lost our virtue. But more importantly, there are no consequences for bad behavior. Well said.

If an congressman or woman does wrong, including vile vitriolic slander of an

individual Yeah. three feet away from them with the cameras running, they get away with it and destroy that

person’s life. Yeah. That stuff’s got to end. My little child or grandchild watching that on news

Yeah. says, “Well, I’m not going into that line of work when wondering if he should serve this nation someday. You’ve got

military retirees who are so dis despondent and hurt by what they see now

as a government that doesn’t respect their their effort, their contribution.

I I I don’t I think what you’re doing is lighting the match in the gas tank, I

like to call it. Yes. Yes. And and what happens from there is the fixing of the election

system, curing election, fixing election integrity and removing the fraud is but

a starting point. It’s the elephant in the room. It’s the elephant in the room. Yes. What would you think the following

success successor issues should be? Um almost all of the issues we face that we

like to argue about, you know, abortion, you know, education, taxes, tariffs, all

these other issues are actually downstream downstream from our elections because the people we elect to represent us make

those decisions. So if we can re I maybe the most important office in the

country, maybe the most important elected office is the school board. We learned that in 2020, didn’t we? That

that’s at a critical and yet people like have been discounting that for decades. So, people are waking up and re-engaging

or or I think people will tell me, “I’m running for Congress.” And I’m like, “Why would you want to do that? You’re going to be one among 450. How about

instead, why don’t you run for city council or county commissioner?” Because man oh man, you make important decisions

that affect people’s lives every day. That’s a very important position. Yeah. And and so to me, that’s what

public that for the public to wake up and re-engage our civic duties, our sovereign duty as Chris Anal puts it. I

think that is my after the elections are working again then I think that’s the

next step since you asked about the next step. Okay. So what’s your next step? So um I’m I’m watching the midterms

coming up and I’ve already run all the numbers. I’m a modeler. You know, I’ve been predicting elections since 1980.

And I predicted everyone, every presidential election, too, until 2020, which was a little surprise. I even

predicted Trump 2016, 13 months in advance. Put all my predictions online, showed everybody. Really?

Yeah. And that was when there were 17 people in the primary. And so I, you know, I I’m a math mathematician guy.

I’m an analytical guy. Build algorithms. So I’ve already run the numbers on 2026 and they’re not good.

And people think for the Republican party, right? Yeah, people think that Trump won in 2024, but

when you look at the numbers, he didn’t win. He held his own from 2020. What

happened is the Democrats fell through the floor. The And I can show you across the nation precinct by precinct, the

Democrats didn’t turn out for Kamla. So, you know, I like saying Trump didn’t win, the Democrats lost.

Well, I don’t see an alternative in 2028 turning out against JD Vance or whoever

it ends up being. But that’s a side point right now. What more importantly, you and I have a dear friend, Mike

Lindell. Oh, yeah. Running for governor in Minnesota. What do your numbers say? Uh, it’s when it was him against Waltz,

it was a slam dunk. Yeah. But now that it’s Amy Clolobachar, I think it’s much tighter race. And and

Minnesota has amazing election laws. I’ve become like an expert on this. And every state’s got their own things. In

Minnesota, they have a it’s built into their elections. They have a lot of these Menanites and Amish people who

don’t are not formally, they don’t drive for license, they’re not formally registered or whatnot. And so you can

walk into the polls with 10 people and if you know you I could walk in and say I’m Doug Frank. I’m in the ROS. I’m

official and I vouch for these 10 people. They don’t have to show any ID and they all get to vote.

So there’s like a built-in is that unique to that’s Minnesota and that so Mike is up

against an election system that has a huge back door to stuff ball.

I hate to say it but that might work for him. I mean for all the wrong reasons. I

think that’s I think he’s very fortunate in that sense because I trust a Menanite

or an Amish. But what if I before I touch a trust a a clover? But what if I stand there with 10

Somali? Well, and then I use them again in the next precinct. We use them again in the next

precinct. February 2026, we’re in the middle of a broadcast and the Senate has to vote on

save Save Act, the safekeeping uh American voters act. Yeah.

What is um what is the likelihood of us going to voter identification? I I think

um I think that’s got some I would say 50/50. But let me remind you that in

June of last year, Cast Patel revealed some of the FBI data that they had

seized in October before the 2020 election outside of Detroit. 1 million

fake driver’s licenses. 1 million fake ballots. Minnesota alone.

No, this was uh outside of um outside of Detroit. Uh Michigan. Yes. And that was and he the FBI and

that’s just one that he’s describing. And those phony IDs, driver’s licenses

were produced in China. We know for a fact. And so ID is not the solution

necessarily because I can print a bunch of fake IDs and you can line people up

and it’s it’s important. I’m not saying it’s important. Do you agree then that

while we argue about how to res create a standard that we can live by in terms of

voter ID? Yeah. And uh what a citizen is Yeah. Can we agree that we go forward with a

constitutional amendment that establishes a baseline for that? That’s tough.

I mean I don’t get a constitutional amendment. I know it is. That’s why for all the wrong reasons again I hope the

filibuster is killed. The Senate wins the Save Act. They get a majority in the House and Senate plus the president. And

for all the wrong reasons, they have politics on their side to pass such a constitutional amendment in the House

and Senate. So, I don’t want to sound I’m brainstorming. I don’t want to be too cynical, but here

I am sitting in Florida, the free state of Florida, where you’ve got a supermaajority of Republicans in the

House and Senate, and you can’t pass election reform here.

And we don’t have a supermajority in the Congress. Well, I agreed with you that the sinister behavior is not limited to one

party, right? Uh I my problem is is if we don’t do something, the House of Cards will fall.

And I’ve learned we just don’t have time to wait for those guys. This is why I’m working at the local level.

Yes. That’s what’s effective and that’s what’s working now. Yes. Good for you. And we we it sort of forces the hand.

Imagine if here I am in the in the panhandle of Florida. Let’s say in Santa

Rosa and Escambia and and homes and a few of these counties up here that they all linked elbows and they said to the

state, “You know what? Your system is corrupt. Your system is dirty. We’re not going to comply with it anymore. We’re

going to run our own elections.” What would happen? Your legislature would go nuclear. Yeah. And and it would force

the hand. They would have to take action. If we’re waiting for them to take action, ain’t going to happen. But

if we force them to take action, aha, that’s what I’m doing. A politician works very effectively when they’re

scared or in fear. Politicians don’t start parades, they join them. That’s my phrase. I’m going

to pivot on you for just a second. Let me ask you, it sounds off the topic, but it’s not.

Uh we while this podcast is being recorded, we uh foresee the pending

collapse of Cuba. Venezuela is now under control officially or unofficially by

the United States of America as they get their act together. We’ve got uh uh Greenland up there.

That’s right. That is a lot of ice as Donald Trump would say. Let’s just buy

it. Uh we’ve got um parts of Canada if not all of Canada that’s that looks to

being maybe a new state with the United States. We standing alone and apart from

all this is Puerto Rico which is not a state of the United States but enjoys

the benefits of uh American Yeah. American benefits of goods. They’re a protectorate, right?

Yes. Indeed. Yeah. A republic of their own. But they are not paying the taxes

you and I are. Right. They couldn’t afford. Are we at the point where we might start

considering these foreign nations, not worrying about getting over a border to

get into the United States? Stay right where you are. Become an American citizen in Puerto Rico. Vote in Puerto

Rico. Pick two senators and congressmen from Puerto Rico. and get the incentives from the United

States government that we have here in the states in terms of healthcare, national defense,

infrastructure, and oh, by the way, pay your taxes in Puerto Rico like you and I are.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you can go either way, right? bring in another 10 million people that are going to try to come in

here illegally or keep them right where they are to become taxpayers right there where

they are is an argument I’ve been making through my political and uh business

history uh in the area and sometimes it falls on deaf ears other times it’s heard but you don’t solve a problem by

bringing them all here and now they’re they’re not even being uh koi about

They’re brash and they’re saying we’re not going to assimilate into an American culture. No, we’re going to bring Sharia law with

us. We’re going to bring Sharia law with us and Detroit’s about to fall for that reason. Yes. Exactly.

So, I mean, if you don’t get them to assimilate into our nation, Yeah. while you work on getting them out, go

back to where you came from and become a 51st state. Yeah. I mean, it doesn’t have to be contiguous

like the lower 48. You have Alaska and Hawaii, right? They’re not right. So I know I bring to your attention that

notion in the context of how it affects election integrity.

I I am a academic by training. And so I

like playing with ideas like yours. Well, what if we did this? What if we

did that? And I like and I like and and I I tend to be a libertarian in my heart. I’m a heart libertarian, right?

Don’t tell anybody, but we have friends who are libertarian, and I’m really I love that camp.

Yeah. It It’s in my heart, not my practice. Right. It’s like, yeah, the ideas are are good, but I’m not going to

vote that way because I’m throwing my vote away. But so, it it’s sort of like a it’s it’s a catch 22.

It’s a Yes. And it’s a it’s a good rhetorical device. So, you’re asking the question, how should we address like the

immigration problem? you does it make sense to leave them where they are and all the I I like that idea, but I have

to say it’s sort of like the constitutional convention, the fifth that everybody’s talking about where,

you know, there’s the um where people want to have a uh uh constitutional

convention to revise the constitution. I’m not optimistic at this point in time

about our legislatures and our congress to I don’t trust them. Oh, I don’t either. with our

constitution and I don’t tr so I’m I’m but if ever I was to trust them doctor wouldn’t it be when they control the

house the senate and the presidency I mean that would be my last hope that it

would be able to we will not have a constitutional amendment again unless

the republicans hold the house senate and the presidency and we’re closer than ever to that point in time here’s an

example Montana you brought up a minute ago one of my favorites there Terresa Manzella she’s a state senator there. I

really like her. She’s telling me the story last month. So, they had an election in 2024 and the Republican

party won 32 out of the 50 seats for senators. So, state senators were 32 to

18. So, the Republicans were all like, “Hooray, we’re going to go in here. We’re going to reform our laws. We’re

going to reform our constitution.” Blah blah blah. The first week of the 2024

legislative session in Montana, nine of those 32 Republican senators caucused

with the Democrats. Yeah. And so what’s happened is it’s we’re in a we’re in a mess because people are

voting R because there’s an R in front of their names. Yeah. And so even though it sounds like we

have a majority, we may not. And so I’m not trusting yet that we have the right

people in there to make the choices. I would say I almost agree completely. But then I see a guy by the name of John

Federman who I didn’t think much of in the beginning when he came in. Uh dress code aside, I just couldn’t

understand his his thinking. Yeah. But when I listen to him more and more now,

he’s putting principles before personalities. Yes.

He’s putting principles before party, which is right. Which is what you’re supposed to be

doing in the first place. Exactly. Now, if more guys can be engendered the way he came about,

Yes. I think we may save this democracy. And I’m talking both sides of the fence,

not just Democrat. I’m talking Democrat and Republican. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, I I don’t know what to to

say specifically other than I’m not willing to give up on this constitutional republic.

Me neither because it’s a grassroots thing that you brought up. Yeah. And it’s also um the only governance I

know that’s from the grass or from the ground level up. It’s not autocratic from the top down.

So, I know I’m not left be behind. And if I am, it’s my fault for not

participating. Yes. Or if or the system is corrupt that allowed you to control

that. And that’s what I’m addressing because the people need to be back in control.

Doctor, this has been a great interview. I can’t thank you enough for coming. We ran over. I know we ran over. I don’t

care. We’re We were so glad to have you. We’re talking with Dr. Douglas Frank

from the Midwest who’s been on thousands of visits to villages, towns, and

counties around the nation. uh doing in those communities what he’s doing here right now with us. He leaves here and

he’s off on another part of our community trying to get the word out about election integrity, election

fraud, and what we must do at the local level to fix it. www.enevalentino.com.

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to step up and help you out and I’m grateful to them for doing it. This is a community effort and I’m going to end

the way I started. I’m going to read you that preamble from the Constitution.

Doctor, we the people of the United States in order to form a more perfect

union, to establish justice, to ensure the domestic tranquility,

to provide for the common defense, to promote the general welfare, and to

secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity. We do

ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. I

memorized it in 1968 in Ms. uh Lovejoyy’s class and I couldn’t get it

out of my head for years. I needed to reference it now. Few gray cells have kicked in. But uh all truth, it’s it’s

something that has stayed with me for my lifetime and is why you’re here today. Thank you for coming.

Pleasure. I couldn’t be so honored to have you here. Uh if people need to reach you, they can get you through the website.

Yeah. And folks, you can get they you can reach him through me as well. We’ll make sure we stay in touch. And God

willing, Mike Lindell is a good example of the data turning his way.

Yeah. To get him elected as governor. Y Thank you for joining us, ladies and gentlemen, for another episode on Gene

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of the Xarin Insurance Agency in Pensacola, Florida. A family-owned

business with over 50 years in the business, and they treat people the right way. from homeowners insurance to

contractor’s insurance, condo insurance, commercial insurance, all the different

coverages that are out there and of course auto insurance. They’ve got you covered. They worry about you first.

You’re more than a policy number. You’re a person who they’re watching out for not when the sun is shining, but after

the hurricane has left. If you want real service with real savings, contact Eddie

Xerin at the Eddie Xarin Insurance Agency. www.zarins

insurance.com. Give them a call today. You’ll be glad you did when you do.